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Rumor: Pau For Josh Smith

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    kobe by himself took 30 Bynum didn't get enough shots in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortyman920 View Post
    Ok this is getting ridiculous. Pau Gasol is better than Chris Bosh and anyone who doesn't believe so is either a Heat fan, a Pau hater, or have never seen him play. Pau plays better defense than Chris Bosh. Pau is more durable than Chris Bosh. Pau is bigger than Chris Bosh. Pau is a better rebounder than Chris Bosh. Pau is a better passer than Chris Bosh. Pau Gasol is flatout the better player. Chris is more mobile and athletic but Pau's got his size and length that more than makes up for it.

    I don't know what happened to Pau in the playoffs last year's playoffs, but the entire Lakers squad sort of fell apart so I give him a pass. This season Pau became a third option, a facilitator, a player that the team tried to trade, and had a coach who didn't have the coaching abilities to use Pau's skillset well. Plus there's Kobe and Bynum who will take like 50 shots a game themselves. Pau's played VERY WELL the past season given the circumstances surrounding him.

    Don't kid yourselves Pau is very much a top 5 big man in the NBA. Hawks could do MUCH MUCH worse than Pau Gasol. It's shocking to me how people say the Hawks are downgrading trading Smith for Gasol. Josh Smith isn't even in the same level as Pau.
    when he's playin well. Obviously, the past year + hasn't been good to him. If he keeps this up, and this current state may be the best he can give at his age (hopefully not) - it IS a downgrade from Smoove. The only thing is he's taller, so at least they'd have that...

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    It's a miracle how any player can function properly in Pau's shoes this past season with all the chaos and changing rotations and lack of internal stability. I personally think the past season was just a bad year overall and he'll bounce back. It might take a new team, new coach, or some sort of change, but Gasol doesn't rely on athleticism and his skillset and IQ is still there. He's still capable of getting like 21/12 a season in a more ideal situation.

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    Pau is gonna win gold at the olympics and could goto the wolves

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    T-Wolves got nothing to offer us though any deal would be a 3 way deal i think.

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    I just don't see why a team like atlanta who currently are 13million OVER the cap with just 6 players won't to consolidate there money further making it 13 million over the cap between 5 players... CRAZY TALK... thats why i dont think this is legit...

    my theory is that Lakers are offering this stuff (to atlanta and also the minnesota one) then when they get turned down they leak it saying that the other team initiated it in an attempt to boost Pau's value...

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    i doubt it. i think the Hawks are the ones who offered it. you just don't rate Pau if he was on a 12 mill a year contract you would be all over him

    i want to see a deal get done and J-Smoove with us long term, we need athleticism and D, a Bynum, J-Smoove frontcourt would be defensively beastly, also want Beasley or PJIII (i have hope still) as our new starting S.F, Beas has a ton of potential and isn't really that bad of an offensive option, decent enough defender, also, resigning Sessions seems like what were going to do now

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    ... I'm just saying the money simply doesnt make sense... especially for a team like Atlanta which is in a small market / luxury tax would kill the team...

    salary between Joe Johnson + Al Horford + Pau Gasol: ~50.5 million dollars just 20 mill away from the luxury tax and they nead at least another 9 players...

    add in Pachulia and teague and they are at 56.75 million for 5 players.. .(assuming marvin williams is in pau trade)... only 13mill pre luxury tax for another 7 players...


    just doesnt seem feasible

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    how Atlanta works that out idk. they will have to figure it out somehow

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    Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry looking to trade but avoid the tax
    3:34 pm June 29, 2012, by Michael Cunningham

    Danny Ferry didn’t make the decisions that led to the Hawks owing $61 million in salaries next season to six veteran players on a team that’s topped out in the second round of the playoffs.

    But now that’s he’s Hawks GM, Ferry will have to build a roster for next season without much financial flexibility. And he will have to start doing it pretty much on the fly because the free-agent negotiating period opens Sunday, less than a week after he took the job.

    “It’s a crash course, for sure,” Ferry said. “I think we want to make the best decisions possible in the short term. We want to make right decisions, whether it’s a trade, whether it’s free agency. But especially trades.”

    The trade market remains the best way for the Hawks to make significant additions to the roster (which of course means they’d also have to make significant subtractions).

    They continue to get a lot of calls about Josh Smith but the impetus for pursuing Pau Gasol came from Rick Sund and Ferry so far hasn’t taken that baton. Ferry hasn’t even had a chance to fully assess the roster or meet the players.

    Smith has a lot of value as a talented and productive player on a reasonable contract that expires after next season. Al Horford is an attractive piece, too, because he’s an All-Star big man locked up for four years and $48 million. Good luck dealing Joe Johnson with four years and $90 million remaining on his contract.

    (Aside: I’ve heard some of my blog people wonder if Ferry will be “allowed” to trade Marvin Williams. Please accept that the Hawks have tried to trade Williams for at least two years and no one is biting. That shouldn’t be hard to do since you don’t want him on your team at his salary, either.)

    If the Hawks don’t make a trade, then they’ll have to find some value on the free-agent market and perhaps get some contributions from unheralded rookies.

    After signing first-round draft pick John Jenkins, Atlanta will have roughly $62 million in salaries committed to seven players. If second-round pick Mike Scott makes the roster and sticks for the year, that’s another $473,604. Ferry said he hasn’t decided if he will extend a qualifying offer to Ivan Johnson; if the Hawks do so and Johnson ends up playing on that deal, add about $1 million.

    That’s about $63.5 million dollars for nine players. The roster minimum is 13 and the maximum is 15. The salary cap next season will be no less than $58 million. The luxury-tax threshold last season was $70.3 million and won’t rise significantly unless the players and league agree on a big increase in projected BRI for next season.

    So, basically, the Hawks likely will have somewhere in the neighborhood of $6.5 to $9 million of room below the tax line to sign four to six players. Ferry said he’s authorized to spend into the tax but would like to avoid doing so.

    “I want to build a roster that has some flexibility to it,” Ferry said. “Ownership has told me when appropriate, that when going over the tax makes sense as far as making us a better team, that is something we would be allowed to do. I want to use that judiciously, though, when you are given that opportunity to do so.

    “In this new CBA, some of the challenges when being over the tax as far as trade restrictions as far as exceptions available to you going forward have changed the spending habits in the NBA. Would I think over the next few years we would go over the tax? I think there is a good chance but, again, I want to do that in a judicious manner.”

    Ferry is talking about the more-punitive tax penalties that begin in 2012-13. Teams over the threshold will pay a higher tax; will have a smaller mid-level exception and no bi-annual exception; can’t take as much salary back in trades; and won’t be able to receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they are $4 million or more above the tax level.

    Translation for the Hawks: Ferry can use the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions and make the Hawks tax-payers again but he’d better be sure he’s signing players that put the Hawks over the top.

    “If the belief was it was going to make us a lot better, those things are on the table whether now or later in the year,” Ferry said. “The dollar amount certainly is a parameter as it relates to the tax. You’d prefer not to go over it. But right time, right trade, right thing [then] ownership, Bruce Levenson, has told me that if it’s appropriate and right and it would really make a difference we would have the ability to do so.

    “I want to say with that I don’t think it’s always the right thing to go over the tax because of the rule and because of the way things operate. Most teams are never one player away. I think that’s a mistake sometimes teams make. We are going to look at opportunities and make a decision.”

    The opportunities will be there for the Hawks on the trade market. There’s a sense of urgency because free agency opens in a couple days but Ferry said he plans to stay patient.

    “Every player we may like, [the process] will take its own pace,” he said. “We will have some control over that but the players will have some control over that, as well. So we are going to make our calls on July 1, we are going to explore every option and hopefully we can make good decisions.

    “Honestly, last year–I know I keep crediting Rick–but I thought they did a pretty nice job filling out their roster from where they were. Hopefully we can find avenues to do as well, [and] hopefully even better.”

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